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And that picture is basically what I imagine when I try to fathom how most fans think of a love triangle involving FerrisWheelshipping.

The Joltik is just to help make some sense of it.

Black and Cheren, even Ingo sometimes, all fall under the same trap. The Jacob Blacks of the usual FerrisWheelshipper's mind. Simply added into the mix to add "drama".  Rarely added in order to give the participants of the triangle developement and growth, which should be the only valid reason to have a love triangle in the first place. But hey, this are all shallow twits, to them the concept of depth and detail is like the concept of advanced mathematics to the everyday Joe. Something they try to avoid.

Well, it isn't.

Yet  the idea of involving a love triangle with this pairing is most likely the recipe for fail (atleast basing it on the Twilight portrayal of the participants).

First of, there's Mr. Gropius.

Let's take a look at this fellow for a second. As I've said many times before. He is someone who can't really grasp the concept of romance. In order for a relationship in which he'd be involved in to work, it'd take far more effort on his partner's part. So if Hilda wishes for whatever there is between her and the man to grow, she'd have to help him understand and learn. She'd have to dedicate alot of effort for him.
That would already show that she is only interested in him.

And the fandom already has horrible trouble getting this little aspect right.
When you throw in the third player, it get's worse.

As I mentioned, a third player, a triangle, would only work if it's to develope the characters.

One way this can work wonderfully is by having the third player deeply care about her and think that the effort she's putting into being with N is not worthwhile considering how naive the fellow is, or something along those lines.

But rarely are reasons why anyone cares about anyone ever touched upon.

Now going into more specifics on the "Jacobs" of Pokemon Black & White. The only one that can really be spoken about is Cheren. Because Hilbert has no defined personality in-game and there isn't much to base Ingo on.

I HATE, DESPISE, how Cheren is usually portrayed. The guy does seem kind of like a jerk at times, but he's a well meaning kid. I haven't even come across ONE portrayal of him in a FerrisWheelshipping love triangle that doesn't make him look bad. NOT ONCE. He ALWAYS he loses to N. Is ALWAYS jealous. And always loses to the Edward Cullen knock-off interpretation of N, which makes it worse.

If Cheren where to lose it'd be because he realized that she isn't for him and would get over it, maybe the getting over process could take a while, but he would accept his loss. That's how Cheren is, he wouldn't hold anything against anybody. He may seem like a jerk, but he is a good natured kid, honorable too. This is basically what happens in-game with him accepting his views on strength.

So basing on how Cheren is, and his friendship with Hilbert in the various canons, I can only assume Hilbert himself wouldn't be far off on how he'd fit into the scenerio. Pretty much the same outcome too. So when I see him villanized it ticks me of aswell.

Ingo, the man seems like a decent guy, gloomy and/or serious, but mature. That's why I like about Expressshipping (Ingo/Hilda), it just seems like both are level headed and mature people. So if she doesn't love him, he'll accept it and move on, once again, as hard as it may be.

Soooo, why butcher realism and characterization for the sake of drama? Is our society really that dimwitted? That's what the success of Twilight makes me think. And when that mentality is carried over to Pokemon, I further think people have real problems on how they think the world works.
While I'm not fond of Checkmateshipping (nor Rebelshipping), I find it's fanbase is pretty respectable and nice, so this is in no way bashing or implying negativity on CherenXHilda.

Almost everyone knows I like Chessshipping, so I don't give a damn what you think I mean here on it. =P

Hell if there's anything you feel should be added feel free to share.

Also..Emmet is Emmet in that poster. xD

Image:
Pokemon is (c) of Ninendo and God aka Arceus the Almighty.

Twlight is (c) of Stephanie Meyer aka Satan himself.

EDIT: If anyone important on DA or something is like "WTF, why is this one the front page?". I'm asking the same thing.

>_>

I don't want any trouble. -_-;

EDIT: You know what. FUCK IT. I'm removing the damn picture. What was supposed to be an in-fandom thing became a circus attaction.
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Magenta-Fantasies Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013  Professional General Artist
I agree completely with what you said about Cheren; I don't think I've ever read a FerrisWheelShipping fanfic in which he didn't get a really unflattering portrayal. :X It also irks me since I'm a CheckmateShipper.

I think love triangles are a lot of fun to write, which when used correctly can go beyond being plot devices to become great tools for developing characters. For instance, I was writing the very end of a CrystalShipping fanfic when I thought "What would happen if Silver saw what happened and how would he react?", which led to me bringing him into the story (it also helps that I'm an avid SoulSilverShipper). The same exact thing happened with Gold (it also helps that I'm a HeartSoulShipper). The love rectangle that came about because of this caused the story to expand from its original seven pages, led to me adding two parts that went from Gold's and Silver's perspectives and greatly developed all four characters involved. Now I really love writing for this "foursome" (not that kind of foursome, mind you). 8-)
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AldrutheBrovahkiin Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I whole heartedly agree with everything said in this. Ive seen far too many artworks/fanfics where both White and N are completely OOC.. Its sad to see Fettishwheelshipping giving Ferrishwheelshipping a bad name.
dat pic.. It will never be unseen!
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LuminaBalderson Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2013
Okay, anyone here want to destroy Twilight?
If so, I've got some flamethrowers, a tank, five Lighsabers, Joltik, Charizard, Hydreigon, Flygon, Salamence, Groudon, Kyugre, Windigoes, The Elements of Harmony, Peanut butter, Trebuchets, Sparkle Remover, Gimli's axe, and the Death Star.
There's an infinite number of all but the Legendary Pokemon and the Death Star.
Pick your weapon.


I personally will be using my Shiny Stoutland, ordinary Samaurott, a Lightsaber, and three tanks. Anyone want to help me?
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secretvalentinestar Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Student Writer
I do see what your saying though they really shouldnt just add a person in the love triangle and give them no story. It's like they're just there to look pretty.
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secretvalentinestar Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2012  Student Writer
Is it really rong to have a love triangle?

Plus that picture is just for humor.
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Ninjawolf10 Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I always thought of Black and White as siblings (that might however be because me and my brother play B&W) and Ingo? Well meh... I however always pictured N as the derpy 'forever alone' guy (:rofl:) I like cheren and White better, it makes plain sense i my option. I also like Black and Bianca, why? Idk. But why the heck do people always give something a twilight ref? Actually for the hunger games I understand. But why make White like Bella? WHITE ACTUALLY CAN KICK ASS!
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LucariosAura Featured By Owner May 4, 2012
Agreement. Characters have there personalities ('cept the protagonists, i mean Hilda and Hilbert. xD) and they should stay.=) Though I hate it when somebody compares things to Twilight. (Don't get me wrong, it really fits here, but many people just compare EVERYTHING to Twilight. xD)
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Hastu-Reki Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2012  Student Artist
I dont think of Ferriswheel shipping as Twilight at all... To me it is more of a Romeo and Juliet or some other beautiful love. Maybe even Rapanzel (of course N in a way is Rapanzel)
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himanuts Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'd be careful with using the term "Romeo and Juliet love". Most people think of cliche sappy romance when that's mentioned. >.< But I get where you're coming from, putting duty over feelings. Which is what this pairing is. They'll sacrifice their own desires for the better good of those around them.
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N-ugatory--Vibrato Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2012  Student Writer
Yep.
Once again took the words outta my mouth.
The only time I think they can be a tiny,tiny,tiny bit out of character (only in the slightest,barely recognisable) is when you are basing it on a story. So that way people know who the character you're crossing over is and so that the story still makes sense.
But that EXCLUDES twilight.It doesn't deserve to have cross-overs.
I mean look what twilight has done, we are being over-populated by brainless fangirls.
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DAT PICTURE.

And I completely agree with you on EVERY. SINGLE. POINT. YOU. MADE. If I ever get this damn story done, I can guarantee you I will do my best to keep EVERYONE in character.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome. xD
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Oh! I got White for Christmas, so once I'm done with SoulSilver, I'll go through that and see what I need to do.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome. XD
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Yesssssss XD In my SoulSilver, I've just beaten Archer and stopped Team Rocket's takeover of the Radio Tower, and I has teh Silver Wing :D
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himanuts Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Awesome. xD
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I know, right? 8DDD
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Livious Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Student Filmographer
I saw it on a Tumblr blog and I lol'd so hard at the picture. Thank you for lightening my day. :')
And I agree so much with you, I actually never read a fanfiction in which that poor Cheren didn't looked like a douche. Like Black (or another guy), he can also be an interesting character, if he's developed well in a fanfiction... Though, I like N too (when he's not portrayed as a "SOO BEAUTIFUL MYSTERIOUS YOUNG MAN DESU NE~").
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himanuts Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcomed. xD I'm surprised at the attention it got at tumblr. Lol.
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splattermusic Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
I love chesshipping. I don't know why, but I like pairing the game m/f counterparts with each other (except for Brendan and May for some reason). When I first played Black, I just thought N was some weird misguided kid.
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Kyuzeth Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
There's too much fu**ing FWS fanclubs. Chess is really underrated, yet so much better, IMO.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't know why there's so many...I can submit anything to them. And most of my FWS are either satire or criticism. <_<

And I agree on it being underrated. -_-
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Kyuzeth Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2011
Due to this overpopularity, I've kinda grown against FWS. I'm no obsessive hater, but Chess should definitely get more attention. I mean, even when you search for Chess, you still get FerrisWheel. That seriously annoys me.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
That's why in part I hope for Agency to happen. When Frantic became canon more people opened up to Hoennshipping.
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Kyuzeth Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2011
The manga pairings ignite the fanbase for the video game pairings, it seems.
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Wall-eFreakzor Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011
I totally agree with this rant. You are a genius.

On another note, that picture gave me an idea..

"HEY HEY INGO"
"what is it"
"I AM EMMET AND MY HEAD IS A JOLTIK"
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Unneeded-Luck Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I must agree with this but I haven't seen Cheren shown as a "Jacob" character but more like a creepy stalker that hits on Hilda and is a total perv, which is rather out of character for him. :/ And Herber...oh, god, I don't see him being that but then again, I don't see Ferriswheelshipping in the first place. ^^;
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smd1124 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said.
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Sirus7009 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011
I really can't say any more than I've said countless times to you other than I hate twilight with a fiery passion. Well, I agree with you. there, I said something xD wait... ok, I have more to say...

I personally will agree with all non yaoi/yuri pairings in pokemon. Chess/Checkmate/Ferriswheel/Rebel/ ANYTHING I like (even equationshipping HAH!) but incorporating it into Twilight makes it total bullshit. End of discussion. Combining a truly remarkable (be it outlived) series with a mockery of everything related to love, passion, vampires and werewolves (FUCK YOU FOR SCREWING UP VAMPIRES MEYER!! Vampire's are violent, heartless, and murder people and drain their body of blood, NOT fucking FANBASE MATERIAL!!!) doesn't make the mockery any better. It just makes Pokemon worse. what are we going to do next, make a similar picture with fucking vanilla pocky edward holding strawberry pocky bella with chocolate pocky jacob to the side with all the other myriad pocky flavors in the background? FUCK YOU ALL!

Ah, that's out of me. as everyone before me has said, thank you for saying what should be obvious hima. I will always follow you as your humble servant of TWILIGHT FANBASE ANNIHILATION!!!!
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!

And I agree on everything you just said. God, the world. >.<
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Sirus7009 Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2011
lol if there's one thing you don't get me started on it's Twilight. I can rant for HOURS on how terrible it is, and mixing it in with pokemon adds at least another 4 hours more xD
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Neko-Noodle Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011
You got issues...
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pokeexpert Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Oh, god, that picture made my day. If it was on deviantart, I would've faved it right away.

But still. I hate how 90% of the ferriswheelshipping I find on here or on fanfiction.net is almost exactly like what you described.

P.S. You forgot to add that in most of this crap only one pokemon is mentioned every five chapters. Usually in obvious self inserts.
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ixDenial Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011   Digital Artist
Heh, when it's interesting enough love triangles are really something im in love with.

ONLY IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'LL GET THE GIRL. i HATE it when it's obvious from the start. Just... SUCKS.
And that's why i hate twilight.

But yea, i agree with your rant. except if the triangle makes you actually NOT know who'll end up with the girl.
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FieryFafar Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Student Writer
DAT PICTURE :icondragonlaugh:

I'm just so happy someone finally has the guts to say what's rightfully right.

I pity Cheren actually. Sure it's fun to write the jealous third party. And I love the fact that White has to teach N about the whole life and relationship and stuff. It's different. (Plus, I have many reasons to write derpy N) Hahahahaha.

But GOD. Twilight Fetishwheel? My eyes are soiled with such monstrosity :iconohgodwhyplz:

Still, congrats for saying what most of us are thinking! You, my dear, are sheer genius :meow:

And that picture. BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA :icondragonlaughplz:
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. xD Someone had to, damnit. I'm getting really annoyed by it. >.<


Derpy N is always fun. Lol. Specially since there is a reason for him to be so. His just loveable that way.
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hikariyukihime Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011
I am personally a fan of Ferriswheelshipping, but I agree that throwing in another character (and making them OOC none the less) takes away from the story. A good Ferriswheelshipping fic for me always involves Hilda making the first move romantically, considering she would most likely have more experience than N.

AND I HATE WHEN HILDA IS PORTRAYED AS AN INSERT CHARACTER FOR THE AUTHOR! At least ATTEMPT to write her as the character she actually is. I understand it's hard to grasp a character who is a silent protagonist in game, but try reading the manga or not making her a character you want to punched repeatedly in the face.

And N, in my opinion, is an interesting combination of dignified and childlike. He is a very quirky individual that, like you said, would require a lot of work to be with. That's why I love Ferriswheelshipping. It's the fact that when done right, they are a fiercely loyal couple and are willing to overcome a lot together.

I hate Ferriswheelshippers that do all the things you mentioned. The whole "Jacobs of Ferriswheelshipping" thing cracked me up. XD Thanks for posting this.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
A good Ferriswheelshipping fic for me always involves Hilda making the first move romantically

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I am personally a fan of Ferriswheelshipping, but I agree that throwing in another character (and making them OOC none the less) takes away from the story. A good Ferriswheelshipping fic for me always involves Hilda making the first move romantically, considering she would most likely have more experience than N.

Even if she has no romantic expirience, she already knows much more than N on the subject because of her upbringing alone.

AND I HATE WHEN HILDA IS PORTRAYED AS AN INSERT CHARACTER FOR THE AUTHOR! At least ATTEMPT to write her as the character she actually is. I understand it's hard to grasp a character who is a silent protagonist in game, but try reading the manga or not making her a character you want to punched repeatedly in the face.

Yes! God. It just becomes mental dating. >.< That's why I always resort to taking ideas and inspirations from the vaious canon sources and continuities.

And N, in my opinion, is an interesting combination of dignified and childlike. He is a very quirky individual that, like you said, would require a lot of work to be with. That's why I love Ferriswheelshipping. It's the fact that when done right, they are a fiercely loyal couple and are willing to overcome a lot together.

Yes! Even if N doesn't fully grasp the concept of their relationship he is still going to be loyal because he'll know she cares about him alot.

I hate Ferriswheelshippers that do all the things you mentioned. The whole "Jacobs of Ferriswheelshipping" thing cracked me up. XD Thanks for posting this.

You're welcomed. XD
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hikariyukihime Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2011
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SirVegas Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011
You actually made Twilight seem more awesome...

Madam, I salute you!
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Bermuda-Llama Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Student Writer
The picture and the (c).... OMG MAN. ILY.
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linkgirl11 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Uh, the picture at the top there is against the rules.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Fanfictions can use other people's fanart as covers. So I don't see what the problem with this is, it's basically to reflect the message of the rant.

If DA asks me to take this down, I'll gladly comply.
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linkgirl11 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, it's good you took the picture down, but no, you can't use other people's art as preview images.

FAQ #63: What sort of things can I use for Preview images?
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Cool.

And thanks.
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linkgirl11 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome. :)
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RadMadisaur Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
XD...
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steppingskyward Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That picture...oh man...oh man that's funny.

And lovely rant by the way, I hate seeing love triangles...anywhere really (but they seem to be the most pointless in fanfiction "OMG THE DRAMA" ...sweetie, no. Just no.)
And they've been popping up a lot...I mean a LOT. In normal literature. Thanks to freakin' Twilight (not all of it, but a lot of the new stuff that's trying to get popular with Twilight-esque romance, and even a lot that don't use that method still have goddamn love triangles). And really they're only painful, never useful.
AND NOW IT'S SPREADING TO POKEMON WHAT...WHAT...I DON'T EVEN...
NO.
JUST NO.
PLEASE.
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himanuts Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol, thanks.

Exactly..most characters are not intended by their creators to get together with anyone, let alone be part of a love triangle. So this obsession of just having it for the drama is dumb.

I didn't know about that happening in modern literature. Ugh. Twlight is definetly a parasite. >.<

And yup, with the worst choice of characters too. >_> A manchild who can't grasp romance and a girl mostly interested in Pokemon and Pokemon battles.
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steppingskyward Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah...I guess being that we're all so used to seeing SOME form of romantic subplot everywhere, not having one of those in a game (or book even, but that's pretty rare) is just a BIT too much to handle for some...hence the romance...
BUT IS THE TRIANGLE REALLY NECESSARY? Of all the literary devices at your disposable, love triangles are the ones that are typically the most painful, useless, and for people like me, makes the story more of an endurance than an enjoyable time. Use it like cayenne pepper, NOT sprinkles. Especially if we treat the story like a cupcake. Who the hell would enjoy cayenne pepper on a cupcake? VERY FEW, THAT'S RIGHT. Unless something good managed to come out of it. Like money. As in "I will pay you $x to eat this cayenne-pepper covered cupcake."

And why the Cheren hate?
I mean yeah, I felt really bad for N at the end of the game after you kicked his ass and Ghetsis talked a bunch of smack, and wanted to give him a hug or something, but a full on relationship is...not entirely fitting.
White/Hilda/WhatsherfacexN is adorable, but Cheren and her honestly make a lot more sense.
In all honesty, I think N probably would prefer to have a pokemon for a girlfriend rather than a human...
Don't gimme that look, maybe Pokemon Mystery Dungeon would happen to him and everything would be dandy! XD

CherenxBianca makes even less sense though...to me, anyway. Somehow I just don't see Cheren attached to a bimbo space cadet.

And yes. Really it's only in Teen [and my teen I mean teenage girl] literature where this is happening...
And it's really...really disappointing.
Maximum Ride used to be a kind-of okay series, but now it's being dragged out pretty far and has a love triangle inserted. City of Bones/Ash/Glass/Whatever-the-fourth-one-was is decent as well, but it's got a love triangle. Hunger Games trilogy has one, but at LEAST this one has a reason for the triangle being there. The other two...not so much.
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